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Kristen Welch's avatar

Even the transmission/ contagion part has yet to be scientifically proven.

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Hi Bill, i see you have commented on the rumble vid of Mikovits v Kauffman so was gonna reply there, but to me this article came straight to mind watching the vid. It seems the main point of contention for Mikovits is a) im only discussing retroviruses cause they are my area and b) retroviruses exist but the only ones pathogenic are those cultivated / improved in animal cell lines then injected into humans rather than by natural means. By virtue of this she concludes there are no 'natural' pathogenic viruses. Ie they need to be cultured and injected. It struck me that her position is very nuanced. She stated she has never been an adherent to germ theory. The whole interview felt like they were so close but so far to each others position. There's my hot take. I guess my question is... how much consensus is there to any of the definitions above? Her definition seems to be somewhere between Zac Bush and Jeff Greene. Ubiquitous, integral to life, not pathogenic. This is quite removed from the definition team novirus is sticking to. At very least team novirus has stated theirs from the outset. This is our working definition taken from virology. It would be great to know where people like Mikovits, Bush, Greene actually get theirs from. While that interview was a train wreck of 2 people talking past each other, i think this is essentially inevitable in any interview where there is not an agreed upon definition from the outset.

PS the best part for me is for anyone laughingly suggesting Kauffman lost his cool in their previous interaction, this interview laid bare how zen like he is in his manner and how unhinged and unable to have a 2 way convo Judy is.

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