The biggest issue I see is the cult of "Flat Earth" that has consumed most of "Team No Virus". Alex Zeck is an admitted member of this "cult" and according to Amandha Vollmer so is "Andrew Kaufman" and "Tom Cowan". I not making up accusations here, this is what was admitted by both Alex Zeck and Amandha Vollmer in the Terrain Family group on Telegram.
I listened to Eric Coppolino's interview with Jay Couey and thought it was a great exchange of ideas whether or not you agree with those ideas or not. I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy, he has some interesting ideas and I'd like to look at the nanopore studies that he mentions. I also would love to see an exchange with him and Mark Bailey and Stefano Scoglio, which I believe would be very illuminating. Building him up as the "enemy" doesn't facilitate these types of discussions that I believe would be very beneficial.
I hear you about FE, But ultimately, it's a side issue.
People on this team have diverse opinions about many topics, religion, politics, Moon landings, Peak Oil, Climate Change, Chemtrails....
I adore Andy and Alec and Amandha for their COVID work. I'm just not going to go after them on an unrelated topic. (although I do question how these folks, some of the best science-minds we have alive today, could get involved in such an obviously incorrect hypothesis.)
I'm not on Telegram, where I hear it's a big deal, and I mostly avoid people like Jordan Grant who is very pushy about his FE beliefs.
Tom Cowan is definitely a "baller". On his Dec 21 livestream he wished everyone a happy solstice, "the shortest day, if you live in the N. Hemisphere". https://www.bitchute.com/video/Cpv1XrGHXBB1/
> I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy
Where did I say he was an "evil enemy"? Can you find anything I said here that is any like a personal attack or ad hominem or even a judgment?
> he has some interesting ideas
Strongly disagree. His arguments are like watching popcorn cooking. PING! it jumps over here... PING! it jumps over this way... PING! .... over here, PING! over there...
> I'd like to look at the nanopore studies
Like EFC says, anything which occurred AFTER 3/11/2020 is irrelevant.
> Building him up as the "enemy" doesn't facilitate these types of discussions
Did you actually read my article? Where did I "build him up as the enemy"??
JJ Couey is really a MINOR player here. The only reason you are hearing his name mentioned in public at all is because Mary Holland, CEO and General Counsel for CHD, dragged him into a conversation initiated by Christine Massey, as a purported "expert" to debunk Christine's work and inquires. Couey is a Patsy, a Stooge, a Sacrificial Fall Guy to distract and divert the attention of #TeamNoVirus. Couey is like a piece of meat that you throw at a coyote that's trying to carry off your child, as a distraction.
I hope that anyone who reads this can clearly see that the object of my attention here is NOT JJ Couey, but ultimately, "The Chairman" himself, Bobby Kennedy.
It should be quite obvious to anyone that the main target
My comment "I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy" isn't directed at you (it should be viewed as hyperbole it is), if it was I would clearly say that. As for the Flat Earth stuff...Personally I question the intelligence of those that believe and the motivation of those that should know better otherwise known as the "best science-minds". To me you can't have a "best science-mind" if you believe in things that people thousands of years ago have figured out by engaging in everyday observation. I'd take Jay Couey over any Flat Earth cultist any day of the week and in the interest of varying view points being respected and all (you can look past those that have believe in the Flat Earth nonsense) there's a place for Couey in the tent. There's common ground to be had as Eric clearly demonstrates.
JJ is reading Mark Bailey's Fairwell to Virology and conducting journal club sessions digging into those "seminal" studies. His actions toward this group have unfortunately been very inflammatory, but I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature. He will be compelled by evidence of fraud to change his position. I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV and TicTok videos. BTW, we're all MINOR players! That multi-million dollar anonymous donor to CHD? What is this compared to the TTRILLION$ that MR. GLOBAL has been putting to use to enslave our minds and feed off our creative and loving potential? We are on the same side. Did you not every get into a serious tussle with a brother or sister?
> JJ is reading Mark Bailey's Fairwell to Virology
Good. Maybe he will learn something.
I personally am not expecting an "Come to Jesus" epiphany coming from Couey any time soon. He has a LOT of research to do, and a lot of growing up to do, to reach the level of sophistication of this team.
> I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature
Well, unless he keeps attacking my friends, on behalf of CHD, he's off my radar.
I have zero interest listening to he convoluted reasoning, and stream of consciousness rants. It really hurts my brain trying to follow his arguments. It's like looking for patterns in popcorn popping.
> I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV
"Viruses exist but are not pathogenic" (Peter Duesberg, Larry Palevsky, Zach Bush, etc) or "Viruses exist but are not contagious" (Jeff Green).
Sorry, but the definition of a virus is: "Replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasites that cause cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
These things either EXIST or they DO NOT. It's very simple.
This conversation seems as if someone asked you to say whether or not Unicorns exist, and then you answer that you define Unicorns as "small furry animals that purr and eat mice", and then say "YES they do exist!" and show us a picture of your cat.
> That multi-million dollar anonymous donor to CHD?
"That", as in ONE? I never said CHD only had one donor. They probably have 10,000 donors, all anonymous.
> What is this compared to the TRILLION$ that MR. GLOBAL has been putting to use to enslave our minds
Irrelevant. CHD's millions are being spent on promoting GERM "THEORY", which lies at the root of the entire CONVID Swindle.
>We are on the same side.
I am not on the same side as anyone promoting lies.
> I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature.... He will be compelled by evidence of fraud to change his position.
I am not expecting any "come to Jesus" epiphany moment coming from Couey any time soon. He is YEARS behind the leading edge. He won't be able to cure his lack of curiosity and his mental confusion overnight. And he has shown himself to be disingenuous and lacking good faith, the way he has gone after Christine and Tom.
I am essentially done with him. (Unless he keeps attacking my friends & colleagues).
> I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV
Yeah, like Peter Duesberg, Larry Palevsky, Zach Bush (viruses are sometimes, but not *always* pathogenic), or Jeff Green (viruses are not contagious).
AGAIN the definition of a virus is a "Replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasites that cause cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
What you and others are trying to do is REDEFINE what a virus is!
It's like we're discussing whether Unicorns exist, and you say, "Unicorns are little furry animals that purr and eat mice", and then as proof Unicorns exist, you show us a picture of your cat.
I am anti-germ theory, but/and I think that yall, who are mostly my favorites, have undermined yourselves by trying to gang up on Couey who is arguing that we shouldnt throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you folks are not open-minded enough to have an open, non-threatening discussion, and agree to disagree if it comes to that, then how do you call yourselves scientists.
> I think that yall... have undermined yourselves by trying to gang up on Couey
Sorry, who is ganging up on Couey?
Couey is nothing more that a sacrificial Patsy by CHD to try to discredit #TeamNoVirus.
Couey is like the proverbial "Red Shirt" from Star Trek:TOS, beamed down to Planet X, whom you KNOW isn't going to make it back up to the Enterprise.
CHD, Mary Holland, and Bobby Kennedy are the real problem here. Couey is a Stooge, a mere "Extra" in the play. He's got nothing of substance to say. His thinking is pure confusion.
> If you folks are not open-minded enough to have an open, non-threatening discussion
Sorry? Did you watch EFC's 3 hour interview? That is the epitome of "non-threatening".
Also, did you watch the response by Cowan, Kaufman, Massey, Bailey, & Zeck? These people are so dispassionate as to win the Marcus Aurelius award for their masterful stoic demeanor.
I am the most passionate and confrontational of the group (and I'm not really part of the Core Team), but I challenge you to find anything that I've written here which is "threatening", "attacking" or "ganging up on" Couey.
It should be perfectly clear to anyone who reads my essay that the real target of my scorn is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. NOT COUEY.
Yes, he says a lot of things, most of them are half-baked and pure confusion.
If there is something specific that you want me to watch here, then please give me timestamps. I cannot bear to listen to 2.5 hours of this guy's dreck.
Great compilation, Bill.
Love the Rube Goldberg cartoon. So appropriate.
Very thorough, thank you!
WOW, Bill, you have compiled quite a dossier here. Hope that lots of people take a look, i'll do my best toward that end.
Dang Bill...
You blew mine outa the water. lol
We aim to please 😉
I cross-posted and begged for tips...
lol
You deserve them!
Now, what are you willing to shake?
The biggest issue I see is the cult of "Flat Earth" that has consumed most of "Team No Virus". Alex Zeck is an admitted member of this "cult" and according to Amandha Vollmer so is "Andrew Kaufman" and "Tom Cowan". I not making up accusations here, this is what was admitted by both Alex Zeck and Amandha Vollmer in the Terrain Family group on Telegram.
I listened to Eric Coppolino's interview with Jay Couey and thought it was a great exchange of ideas whether or not you agree with those ideas or not. I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy, he has some interesting ideas and I'd like to look at the nanopore studies that he mentions. I also would love to see an exchange with him and Mark Bailey and Stefano Scoglio, which I believe would be very illuminating. Building him up as the "enemy" doesn't facilitate these types of discussions that I believe would be very beneficial.
I hear you about FE, But ultimately, it's a side issue.
People on this team have diverse opinions about many topics, religion, politics, Moon landings, Peak Oil, Climate Change, Chemtrails....
I adore Andy and Alec and Amandha for their COVID work. I'm just not going to go after them on an unrelated topic. (although I do question how these folks, some of the best science-minds we have alive today, could get involved in such an obviously incorrect hypothesis.)
I'm not on Telegram, where I hear it's a big deal, and I mostly avoid people like Jordan Grant who is very pushy about his FE beliefs.
Tom Cowan is definitely a "baller". On his Dec 21 livestream he wished everyone a happy solstice, "the shortest day, if you live in the N. Hemisphere". https://www.bitchute.com/video/Cpv1XrGHXBB1/
> I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy
Where did I say he was an "evil enemy"? Can you find anything I said here that is any like a personal attack or ad hominem or even a judgment?
> he has some interesting ideas
Strongly disagree. His arguments are like watching popcorn cooking. PING! it jumps over here... PING! it jumps over this way... PING! .... over here, PING! over there...
> I'd like to look at the nanopore studies
Like EFC says, anything which occurred AFTER 3/11/2020 is irrelevant.
> Building him up as the "enemy" doesn't facilitate these types of discussions
Did you actually read my article? Where did I "build him up as the enemy"??
JJ Couey is really a MINOR player here. The only reason you are hearing his name mentioned in public at all is because Mary Holland, CEO and General Counsel for CHD, dragged him into a conversation initiated by Christine Massey, as a purported "expert" to debunk Christine's work and inquires. Couey is a Patsy, a Stooge, a Sacrificial Fall Guy to distract and divert the attention of #TeamNoVirus. Couey is like a piece of meat that you throw at a coyote that's trying to carry off your child, as a distraction.
I hope that anyone who reads this can clearly see that the object of my attention here is NOT JJ Couey, but ultimately, "The Chairman" himself, Bobby Kennedy.
It should be quite obvious to anyone that the main target
My comment "I don't think Jay Couey is the evil enemy" isn't directed at you (it should be viewed as hyperbole it is), if it was I would clearly say that. As for the Flat Earth stuff...Personally I question the intelligence of those that believe and the motivation of those that should know better otherwise known as the "best science-minds". To me you can't have a "best science-mind" if you believe in things that people thousands of years ago have figured out by engaging in everyday observation. I'd take Jay Couey over any Flat Earth cultist any day of the week and in the interest of varying view points being respected and all (you can look past those that have believe in the Flat Earth nonsense) there's a place for Couey in the tent. There's common ground to be had as Eric clearly demonstrates.
JJ is reading Mark Bailey's Fairwell to Virology and conducting journal club sessions digging into those "seminal" studies. His actions toward this group have unfortunately been very inflammatory, but I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature. He will be compelled by evidence of fraud to change his position. I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV and TicTok videos. BTW, we're all MINOR players! That multi-million dollar anonymous donor to CHD? What is this compared to the TTRILLION$ that MR. GLOBAL has been putting to use to enslave our minds and feed off our creative and loving potential? We are on the same side. Did you not every get into a serious tussle with a brother or sister?
> JJ is reading Mark Bailey's Fairwell to Virology
Good. Maybe he will learn something.
I personally am not expecting an "Come to Jesus" epiphany coming from Couey any time soon. He has a LOT of research to do, and a lot of growing up to do, to reach the level of sophistication of this team.
> I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature
Well, unless he keeps attacking my friends, on behalf of CHD, he's off my radar.
I have zero interest listening to he convoluted reasoning, and stream of consciousness rants. It really hurts my brain trying to follow his arguments. It's like looking for patterns in popcorn popping.
> I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV
"Viruses exist but are not pathogenic" (Peter Duesberg, Larry Palevsky, Zach Bush, etc) or "Viruses exist but are not contagious" (Jeff Green).
Sorry, but the definition of a virus is: "Replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasites that cause cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
These things either EXIST or they DO NOT. It's very simple.
This conversation seems as if someone asked you to say whether or not Unicorns exist, and then you answer that you define Unicorns as "small furry animals that purr and eat mice", and then say "YES they do exist!" and show us a picture of your cat.
> That multi-million dollar anonymous donor to CHD?
"That", as in ONE? I never said CHD only had one donor. They probably have 10,000 donors, all anonymous.
> What is this compared to the TRILLION$ that MR. GLOBAL has been putting to use to enslave our minds
Irrelevant. CHD's millions are being spent on promoting GERM "THEORY", which lies at the root of the entire CONVID Swindle.
>We are on the same side.
I am not on the same side as anyone promoting lies.
>JJ is reading Mark Bailey's Fairwell to Virology
Good! Maybe he will learn something.
> I have sensed that he is now moving back into alignment with his fundamental biologist nature.... He will be compelled by evidence of fraud to change his position.
I am not expecting any "come to Jesus" epiphany moment coming from Couey any time soon. He is YEARS behind the leading edge. He won't be able to cure his lack of curiosity and his mental confusion overnight. And he has shown himself to be disingenuous and lacking good faith, the way he has gone after Christine and Tom.
I am essentially done with him. (Unless he keeps attacking my friends & colleagues).
> I am currently camped out in a third space where virus does exist, but doesn't perform as seen on TV
Yeah, like Peter Duesberg, Larry Palevsky, Zach Bush (viruses are sometimes, but not *always* pathogenic), or Jeff Green (viruses are not contagious).
AGAIN the definition of a virus is a "Replication-competent intra-cellular obligate parasites that cause cellular necrosis and symptomatic disease, which transmit between hosts via natural modes of exposure."
What you and others are trying to do is REDEFINE what a virus is!
It's like we're discussing whether Unicorns exist, and you say, "Unicorns are little furry animals that purr and eat mice", and then as proof Unicorns exist, you show us a picture of your cat.
No, you don't get to do that.
I am anti-germ theory, but/and I think that yall, who are mostly my favorites, have undermined yourselves by trying to gang up on Couey who is arguing that we shouldnt throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you folks are not open-minded enough to have an open, non-threatening discussion, and agree to disagree if it comes to that, then how do you call yourselves scientists.
> I think that yall... have undermined yourselves by trying to gang up on Couey
Sorry, who is ganging up on Couey?
Couey is nothing more that a sacrificial Patsy by CHD to try to discredit #TeamNoVirus.
Couey is like the proverbial "Red Shirt" from Star Trek:TOS, beamed down to Planet X, whom you KNOW isn't going to make it back up to the Enterprise.
CHD, Mary Holland, and Bobby Kennedy are the real problem here. Couey is a Stooge, a mere "Extra" in the play. He's got nothing of substance to say. His thinking is pure confusion.
> If you folks are not open-minded enough to have an open, non-threatening discussion
Sorry? Did you watch EFC's 3 hour interview? That is the epitome of "non-threatening".
Also, did you watch the response by Cowan, Kaufman, Massey, Bailey, & Zeck? These people are so dispassionate as to win the Marcus Aurelius award for their masterful stoic demeanor.
I am the most passionate and confrontational of the group (and I'm not really part of the Core Team), but I challenge you to find anything that I've written here which is "threatening", "attacking" or "ganging up on" Couey.
It should be perfectly clear to anyone who reads my essay that the real target of my scorn is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. NOT COUEY.
You should lead with your last paragraph.
Respectfully,
- A brand new subscriber to your page.
[Forgive me, I'm still getting aquainted with the cast of characters involved in the debate.]
It's all bathwater, baby!
Hi Bill,
I wrote about IVM in October https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/ivermectin any chance of a post?
Jo
🐒
Thanks Jo. I wasn't aware of your article. Looks Good.
>annoying that Tim Truth has a pay wall though and I can't share my post with him
There is no paywall on the article I reposted.
PS: Your comments here on Ivermectin here are off topic.
Please refrain from off-topic posts, but feel free to email me directly.
I will have more on Ivermectin here coming soon.
Hi Bill!
The video of the five team no virus friends was very good.
JJ Couey said a few thing in this video:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1718045077
They are interspersed as comments of the video lesson from a Columbia U. Porfessor. He makes great critical comments about all that lesson.
> JJ Couey said a few thing in this video:
Yes, he says a lot of things, most of them are half-baked and pure confusion.
If there is something specific that you want me to watch here, then please give me timestamps. I cannot bear to listen to 2.5 hours of this guy's dreck.
CHD is weird at best. It looks like it has always followed the strategy described in this link:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-do-lies-become-the-truth
The Nazi Propaganda Minister famous for the "Big Lie" quote was Joseph Goebbels, not Hermann Göring.
You and I are in disagreement on that. Goebbels never said that and I never mentioned Goering. :)