I did, and then last night I dreamt that I went to a concert with Kevin Corbett , there was no music we just sat around and played our own guitars and sang, and afterwards went to his house, which had pristine white doors and paint work.
You people are disgusting. Eric Coppolino has nerve talking about anyone. Perhaps accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct is not an issue for you but it surely is for me and should be for others as well. I listened to that entire RECORDED phone call with Poornima and she answered every question and he conducted himself on that call like they were best of friends then stabs her in the back AND he didn’t even have the decency to tell her he was recording their phone conversation. In my book that makes him a snake not a journalist of any caliber. Perhaps he should spend more time going after Bill Gates or Fauci who are actually harming people. It all seems like there is an agenda here. I have an email from STUDENT RECORDS at the London School and they did not say Poornima never attended. The email reply send that Poornima would have to provide a written, signed letter giving the school permission to release her information. It also said if she was a off site student (which she was not) the off site department would have to contacted and the email for that group was provided. Get over it. Go assault someone that really deserves to be assaulted. You people are what gives journalism a bad name.
No she didn't. People can listen to Eric's program just released, "The Imposter ‘Scientist’: Poornima Wagh and the need for ethics, standards and practices in new media" (linked above) and judge for yourself.
> he didn’t even have the decency to tell her he was recording their phone conversation.
People should understand that if you speak to a journalist, you are always "on the record".
> Perhaps he should spend more time going after Bill Gates or Fauci who are actually harming people.
Apples <> Oranges.
Gates and Fauci are clearly adversaries.
Wagh represented herself as an ally, but nothing she said checks out.
> London School ... did not say Poornima never attended
Eric never claimed that she never attended. Only that she was never awarded ONE, let alone two Phds.
> Go assault someone that really deserves to be assaulted.
Assault is a physical act. No one was assaulted.
>You people are what gives journalism a bad name
Eric is one of the greatest living investigative journalists, IMHO. I can defend that statement.
It's interesting that when pointing out the errors in logic of interpretation of the literature made by people such as Malone we are accused of attacking them, should abandon all scientific principles of discussion and reanalysis of hypothesises, and should stand firm together against the real 'villains'
And when we write to universities and simply ask what the title of a thesis someone has spent years working on is called and do actual investigative journalism we are again accused of attacking people, bringing journalism into disrepute simply by doing it, and we should stand firm against the real 'villains'.
Like I said you people are disgusting. I listened to the entire interview not just the little snippets. Well I guess you have no issue with perverts which doesn’t say much for you. There is such a thing as verbal assault too.
Sorry about the uncomfortable situation on your page...
Theoretically, she stated what her problems were, although didn't articulate much; it's normally free speech, but in order to sound respectful, refraining from name-calling would be a sign of respect that is reasonable to expect from commenters. Beyond that, nobody has to agree with her. Anyway, it really possible to "defame" anyone these days? :(
Other than that, it doesn't much matter who is right and who is wrong; what matters is:
As authors, we can block free speech; it's happening everywhere, anyway, so what the heck... Moreover, as a fellow substacker, I do understand that it is possible to encounter extremely unpleasant comments, and name-calling is something I cannot condone, either. She could have been nice and still express her opinion...
In the last four months, I've been lucky with my commenters with but a few exceptions, but didn't have to ban anyone for crude or disrespectful comments; my commenters stick to being articulate, caring, and respectful... I hope, you will be able to enjoy the same in the future! :)
Sorry, but name-calling, instead of articulation, can also be considered a "verbal assault." It's more productive to articulate in a detached manner... Ticking people off usually breed animosity, and little else...
The only question I will ask you sir is: what is the point of all this noise?? We know more charlatans, more deceitful and who do a lot of harm .... a lot Imposters dangerous because very vicious. Why she ?? She disturbs the group?? Di the group has NOTHING to reproach so let it have its circus! It's just petty to smear people That's all ! I'm in the team fight but not that way Mr 🙏
A fraud who speaks the truth SOMETIMES is of no help, and would cause a lot of damage to the people who have done the hard work and heavy lifting exposing the fraud of "the virus" once she eventually became exposed as a fraud. Better sooner than later. Damage to the people, and also the message, Which I explained here:
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Unlike Eric who posted a copy of the email he received from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, you on the other hand have nothing. They have confirmed no PhD has been issued to anyone with a name resembling Poornina Wagh. If you have proof of her credentials, provide them, otherwise stop making yourself look bad.
Many thanks for her. Even though she has no diploma she did a remarkable job! What have the pseudo Experts done with science,??? It was the Teamnovirus that pointed it out (that I found credible at the beginning) coppolino has NOTHING a journalist .. astrologer! What world do we live in?
You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Eric is one of the greatest living scientific investigative journalists around, and was exposing the hidden secrets of toxic chemicals and industrial polluters for 40 years.
Yes it's interesting he's also an astrologer, but he does that work to pay his bills to support his QUALITY investigative journalism. I can think of nearly NO ONE doing the kind of OLD SCHOOL investigative journalism even close to the high quality of Eric's work.
> Even though she has no diploma she did a remarkable job
I don't think you understand that we are in the middle of WWIII, and a massive global genocide.
I don't think you have any understanding of how PSYOPS work
I have worked as an activist for various causes for 30 years. Almost EVERY grassroots movement I've been involved with which has had success at causing social change has been infiltrated by newcomers, and the group has been disabled, split, leaders attacked and marginalized from within, or the purpose of the group subverted. Nearly EVERY TIME.
I am not suggesting any particular explaination about Poornima's motives or intentions. I have no idea if she is a PR Plant, or a Pathological Liar, or as Eric Coppolino has suggested, maybe she's just a prankster like the Yes Men, doing what she thought was the right thing to do to get the message across.
All I can say is that she FITS THE PATTERN of "Revealing the Truth via an Untrustworthy Messenger"
Again, please read this, because I go into detail with an example of WHY someone like Poornima (no matter what her motives are) can do GREAT HARM to our experts and our message.
I see ! I am just as militant as you, but I qualify in certain situations as an involved observer. I am aware of everything that is going on in the world....we certainly do not have the same beliefs because I remain faithful to THE HUMAN in empathy. people have been conditioned to "titles"...She did the same work as "the Experts" but because she is not one she is on the scaffold .in conclusion I cannot condemn a person without enough evidence! don't you think that we should focus more on the REAL impostors, mafia...For example, I would like the team to present the research that demonstrates the absence of mRNA in the legs. Thx
No, she didn't do any original work. That was a complete lie.
The only truth that she told were recycled material that she borrowed from other members of team no virus, Cowan, Kaufman, Lanka, Massey, Baileys, etc.
> I cannot condemn a person without enough evidence!
What more evidence do you need besides she lied about having two PhDs from the London School.
Besides you're stating that wrong. Backwards.
What you should be saying is
"I cannot PROMOTE a person without enough evidence, inc verification of their claims and credentials.”
> people have been conditioned to "titles"...
I'm not saying credentials are necessary to state an opinion.
I myself am a high school dropout. (Later I became a college dropout). I have no post nominal letters, no alma mater, no pedigree from any prestigious University.
The point is, her claims were integral to the authority of her lab work, and her two phds, both of which were phony.
I gotta be honest, Bill. I too don't see anything good coming out of continuing to put Wagh in the public spotlight. Sure, the story needed to be told, but it does not rise to the level of being worth destroying someone's life over. Yes, Wagh got herself into this. But there's a time to let things go, especially when it's a bunch of guys with audiences appearing to go after a single, unemployed woman who appears defenseless. Sorry, but there's just nothing anyone can say that trumps that appearance. She's been exposed, so I'd really like to see everyone move on and let her be. We are the compassionate people too, along with our truth-seeking, right?
>I gotta be honest, Bill. I too don't see anything good coming out of continuing to put Wagh in the public spotlight.
What do you mean "continuing"? All of this JUST HAPPENED, less than a week ago.
Poornima was given a massive platform to talk her nonsense since March. She was given 4.5 hours by Regis Tremblay, and 2 hours by Dr Lee Merritt, neither of which vetted her credentials, or her outrageous claims. These shows were widely clipped, reaploaded, shared on multiple social media platforms, and captioned in a dozen languages. The went extremely "viral" and did a lot of damage to our movement.
This is Damage Control, and it's not over. We are attempting to leverage this whole incident to pressure Regis and Dr Merritt to give equal time to the AUTHENTIC experts on our team, to get the CORRECT message out.
You may not like it, but maybe you can make peace with it.
> Sure, the story needed to be told, but it does not rise to the level of being worth destroying someone's life over
I assure you, no one on our team wants to hurt or humiliate Poornima. We only want to get the TRUTH out there, and to right the harm that's been done.
> especially when it's a bunch of guys with audiences
Sorry, none of the authentic members of #TeamNoVirus have ever achieved anything close to the virality that Poornima has achieved.
And BTW, it's not just guys. Some of the most prominent members of our team are WOMEN, including Dr Sam Bailey, Dr Amandha Vollmer, Dawn Lester, and Christine Massey.
> appearing to go after a single, unemployed woman who appears defenseless.
Please. Poornima has done this to herself. We have no idea about her financial situation. One of our researchers found someone in California named Poorima Wagh who has millions of dollars in real estate holdings. It's not a very common name outside of India.
"Appearances" are SUBJECTIVE. How you judge a situation is different from how someone else might judge it. "Appearances" can be deceiving. I don't they you are in any position to know Poornima's financials, and whom her backers might be.
And as you stated, Poornima has done this to herself.
> We are the compassionate people too, along with our truth-seeking, right?
Believe me, our team wrestled with how to deal with this for 6 weeks, as we spent probably 200-500 hours collectively researching her. I and others were urging great compassion and restraint throughout the entire process.
No one is saying Poornima is s bad person. Just that she is an imposter, largely recycling the original research of Lanka, Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey(s), Massey and others.
NONE of Poornima's claims about her PhDs, original research, FBI raid, etc checked out. And while the general contours of the No Virus issue she got correct, she got MANY details wrong.
I wish you guys ( Bill and Eric ) had gone about this differently. You have gone after this woman like you could smell her blood. Exposing her fake credentials should have been enough, but this has turned into a saga. You two have damaged the No Virus 'Team'. I wish you two were not a part of it. I didn't even know either of you were until all this Poormina stuff blew up. I have been following Cowan, Lanka and Kaufman from the beginning and never once heard of either of you. Now people are associating you two with those you are calling the No Virus Team, and the torment you two seem to enjoy inflicting on this woman ( because that is how it looks btw, especially this Eric person looks to be enjoying his work a bit too much ) is what most people are objecting to. I have read and listened to the podcasts and am disgusted. No way Cowan, Kaufman or Lanka would have behaved like this with any controlled operative. It would have been enough to have just said " hey, you know what, we can not verify her credentials, and not everything she is saying pans out " but you all go on and on and on with this shit show, and this Regis person too, like you have uncovered some massive criminal. You have damaged the No Virus cause by implicating by association the doctors and scientists that have done actual work to expose the virus delusion with this relentless pursuit of a woman who may just be looking for attention. You don't even know if she IS controlled ops.
Much of what you've written her is without references or substance, exists within in the realm of opinion and subject appearances. Here are some examples:
> I wish you guys ( Bill and Eric ) had gone about this differently.
I can't please everyone. I do my best. You are entitled to your opinions.
Please do not conflate my work with Eric's. We work independently.
I am not responsible for what he says, nor is he responsible for what I say or do.
> You have gone after this woman like you could smell her blood.
Everything past the word "like" is something that exists in your head only. A judgement. YOURS. You should own it.
> Exposing her fake credentials should have been enough
That's all Eric has done.
That was the primary thing I exposed. I have gone a little farther to show her connections to Steve Kirsch, Patrick Gunnels, & "Derek Knauss". This is because I have personal experience dealing with Public Relations Disinfo campaigns with the goal of disrupting successful movements for social change. I am trying to understand myself how this all happened, whether Poornima is working alone, or if she is merely a cog in some larger machine. I'm still doing primary research, so I may have something more to say about this later. Not now.
> but this has turned into a saga.
You word, your judgment. Your "saga". Own it.
>You two have damaged the No Virus 'Team'.
Your slanderous opinions are of no interest to me. I am doing the best I can.
> I wish you two were not a part of it.
I don't care what you think of me.
>I didn't even know either of you were until all this Poormina stuff blew up.
So? There are 8B people on Earth. I'm sure there are quite a few whom you don't know.
>I have been following Cowan, Lanka and Kaufman from the beginning and never once heard of either of you.
So? I don't care about who you know vs. don't.
Cowan, Kaufman, Lanka I would call Leadership, Elder Statemen in our movement. I doubt they have much awareness of me. Again, DON'T CONFLATE. I am responsible for my own actions. If I screw up, this is not a refection upon any person other than me.
>Now people are associating you two with those you are calling the No Virus Team,
What associations people form in their own minds are nothing that I can control.
> and the torment you two seem to enjoy inflicting on this woman ( because that is how it looks
Everything past the word "SEEM" is another judgment. It's not "how it looks" because it's a mental judgment that you are ADDING to the events that you see.
I take no joy in anyone's torment. I work in the service of all beings. I wish no one any ill will, including Poornima. Within our group, I was always urging restraint and compassion for her. I have tried to speak only factually, without judgement.
You seem to recognize the importance of exposing frauds within our movement. So maybe try to find some appreciation for what I've done. Poornima could have done tremendously more harm to #TeamNoVirus, in terms of discrediting our leaders, AND the message, which strangely, is what you have accused me of.
> I have read and listened to the podcasts and am disgusted.
I can't control that. Try Pepto Bismal?
The work Mike Stone, Eric Coppolino, Kevin Corbett, and Christine Massey have done around the Poornima story has been IMHO, OUTSTANDING!
I am proud of both my Substack posts. I am not happy with my segment with Regis, because I was having massive tech issues, and we started 20 min late because of me, and I was rattled.
Anyway, if you have any complaint about MY WORK, PLEASE BE SPECIFIC and stop speaking in sweeping generalities, and talking about YOUR wishes, YOUR opinions, YOUR judgements. Stick to the facts, and I'm open to listening.
>No way Cowan, Kaufman or Lanka would have behaved like this with any controlled operative.
"[How you] Behaved" is a judgment. Can you ONCE speak about something SPECIFIC?
>It would have been enough to have just said " hey, you know what, we can not verify her credentials, and not everything she is saying pans out "
Your opinions do not concern me. That is essentially what we collectively DID say, although Eric, Christine, Mike, and Kevin have taken different aspects and have different styles.
> but you all go on and on and on with this shit show,
"shit show". I don't care about your judgments. I am doing what is necessary, without malice. Nothing more.
>and this Regis person too,
Stop conflating my work with others. I do not speak for Regis, nor he, I.
> like you have uncovered some massive criminal.
Again, we had no idea what Poornima's ultimate goal was. She was volunteering to be an expert witness in court cases. She could have done TREMENDOUS harm to our leaders and to our message if she had been allowed to continue with her charade.
> You have damaged the No Virus cause
I don't care what you think of me.
>by implicating by association the doctors and scientists that have done actual work
"implicating and associating" is a process going on inside YOUR BRAIN. This is not to be found anywhere in my work. I cannot control your head. You should own it.
>relentless pursuit of a woman
"Relentless"? Please. This all blew up TEN DAYS AGO! I wrote 2 blog posts and did one podcast.
YOUR JUDGMENT has nothing to do with me.
Poornima was doing the podcast circuit since July, 2 months, and she went super "viral". SOMEONE has been floating her story since December 2020, perhaps months prior. (Was it Poornima's words that Patrick Gunnels spoke, which were then FALSELY attributed by dozens of 3rd parties to "Derek Knauss" and "Robert Oswald", or was Poornima and Gunnels both reading from the same script, written by parties unknown?)
This was clearly a LONG TERM operation, with many players. This is clearly beyond Poornima, and has all the earmarks of a sophisticated PR Campaign / PSYOP.
I will probably be writing more about this soon, as comments like yours keep coming up.
>You don't even know if she IS controlled ops.
If you listen, I never speak about "controlled opposition". This requires knowledge of a persons intentions, motivations, and their knowledge, things normally hidden from view.
However, after all we've learned so far, Poornima, is an exception to my rule. She MAY be Controlled Opposition. If/When I can prove it, I will certainly publish it here.
I did, and then last night I dreamt that I went to a concert with Kevin Corbett , there was no music we just sat around and played our own guitars and sang, and afterwards went to his house, which had pristine white doors and paint work.
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You people are disgusting. Eric Coppolino has nerve talking about anyone. Perhaps accusations of inappropriate sexual conduct is not an issue for you but it surely is for me and should be for others as well. I listened to that entire RECORDED phone call with Poornima and she answered every question and he conducted himself on that call like they were best of friends then stabs her in the back AND he didn’t even have the decency to tell her he was recording their phone conversation. In my book that makes him a snake not a journalist of any caliber. Perhaps he should spend more time going after Bill Gates or Fauci who are actually harming people. It all seems like there is an agenda here. I have an email from STUDENT RECORDS at the London School and they did not say Poornima never attended. The email reply send that Poornima would have to provide a written, signed letter giving the school permission to release her information. It also said if she was a off site student (which she was not) the off site department would have to contacted and the email for that group was provided. Get over it. Go assault someone that really deserves to be assaulted. You people are what gives journalism a bad name.
> You people are disgusting
For revealing the truth?
> she answered every question
No she didn't. People can listen to Eric's program just released, "The Imposter ‘Scientist’: Poornima Wagh and the need for ethics, standards and practices in new media" (linked above) and judge for yourself.
> he didn’t even have the decency to tell her he was recording their phone conversation.
People should understand that if you speak to a journalist, you are always "on the record".
> Perhaps he should spend more time going after Bill Gates or Fauci who are actually harming people.
Apples <> Oranges.
Gates and Fauci are clearly adversaries.
Wagh represented herself as an ally, but nothing she said checks out.
> London School ... did not say Poornima never attended
Eric never claimed that she never attended. Only that she was never awarded ONE, let alone two Phds.
> Go assault someone that really deserves to be assaulted.
Assault is a physical act. No one was assaulted.
>You people are what gives journalism a bad name
Eric is one of the greatest living investigative journalists, IMHO. I can defend that statement.
Have a nice day, Karen.
well put Bill,
It's interesting that when pointing out the errors in logic of interpretation of the literature made by people such as Malone we are accused of attacking them, should abandon all scientific principles of discussion and reanalysis of hypothesises, and should stand firm together against the real 'villains'
And when we write to universities and simply ask what the title of a thesis someone has spent years working on is called and do actual investigative journalism we are again accused of attacking people, bringing journalism into disrepute simply by doing it, and we should stand firm against the real 'villains'.
Like I said you people are disgusting. I listened to the entire interview not just the little snippets. Well I guess you have no issue with perverts which doesn’t say much for you. There is such a thing as verbal assault too.
What your are saying is false, baseless, and defamatory.
Eric has addressed these false claims at length on his website and on his radio show.
Where do you live, Karen? What town?
I'm sure Eric would love to sue you for libel. Let me know your address for process service.
If you make similar defamatory statements again, i will delete your post and block you from commenting here again.
First and final warning.
Sorry about the uncomfortable situation on your page...
Theoretically, she stated what her problems were, although didn't articulate much; it's normally free speech, but in order to sound respectful, refraining from name-calling would be a sign of respect that is reasonable to expect from commenters. Beyond that, nobody has to agree with her. Anyway, it really possible to "defame" anyone these days? :(
Other than that, it doesn't much matter who is right and who is wrong; what matters is:
https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/who-is-right-and-who-is-wrong
As authors, we can block free speech; it's happening everywhere, anyway, so what the heck... Moreover, as a fellow substacker, I do understand that it is possible to encounter extremely unpleasant comments, and name-calling is something I cannot condone, either. She could have been nice and still express her opinion...
In the last four months, I've been lucky with my commenters with but a few exceptions, but didn't have to ban anyone for crude or disrespectful comments; my commenters stick to being articulate, caring, and respectful... I hope, you will be able to enjoy the same in the future! :)
Your attempts to smear the messenger are not working. Can you back up Poornima's credential claims? Put up or shut up.
Sorry, but name-calling, instead of articulation, can also be considered a "verbal assault." It's more productive to articulate in a detached manner... Ticking people off usually breed animosity, and little else...
The only question I will ask you sir is: what is the point of all this noise?? We know more charlatans, more deceitful and who do a lot of harm .... a lot Imposters dangerous because very vicious. Why she ?? She disturbs the group?? Di the group has NOTHING to reproach so let it have its circus! It's just petty to smear people That's all ! I'm in the team fight but not that way Mr 🙏
A fraud who speaks the truth SOMETIMES is of no help, and would cause a lot of damage to the people who have done the hard work and heavy lifting exposing the fraud of "the virus" once she eventually became exposed as a fraud. Better sooner than later. Damage to the people, and also the message, Which I explained here:
https://apocalypticyoga.substack.com/p/the-sad-tale-of-poornima-wagh
And BTW, EXACTLY has Steve Kirsch has done here:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/eric-coppolino-exposes-poornima-wagh/
Again, it's better that we exposed her NOW and minimize the damage farther down the road.
Unlike Eric who posted a copy of the email he received from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, you on the other hand have nothing. They have confirmed no PhD has been issued to anyone with a name resembling Poornina Wagh. If you have proof of her credentials, provide them, otherwise stop making yourself look bad.
Many thanks for her. Even though she has no diploma she did a remarkable job! What have the pseudo Experts done with science,??? It was the Teamnovirus that pointed it out (that I found credible at the beginning) coppolino has NOTHING a journalist .. astrologer! What world do we live in?
> coppolino has NOTHING a journalist
You don't have any idea what you are talking about.
Eric is one of the greatest living scientific investigative journalists around, and was exposing the hidden secrets of toxic chemicals and industrial polluters for 40 years.
http://planetwaves.info/eric/oldarchive/0606040.html
Yes it's interesting he's also an astrologer, but he does that work to pay his bills to support his QUALITY investigative journalism. I can think of nearly NO ONE doing the kind of OLD SCHOOL investigative journalism even close to the high quality of Eric's work.
> Even though she has no diploma she did a remarkable job
I don't think you understand that we are in the middle of WWIII, and a massive global genocide.
I don't think you have any understanding of how PSYOPS work
I have worked as an activist for various causes for 30 years. Almost EVERY grassroots movement I've been involved with which has had success at causing social change has been infiltrated by newcomers, and the group has been disabled, split, leaders attacked and marginalized from within, or the purpose of the group subverted. Nearly EVERY TIME.
I am not suggesting any particular explaination about Poornima's motives or intentions. I have no idea if she is a PR Plant, or a Pathological Liar, or as Eric Coppolino has suggested, maybe she's just a prankster like the Yes Men, doing what she thought was the right thing to do to get the message across.
All I can say is that she FITS THE PATTERN of "Revealing the Truth via an Untrustworthy Messenger"
Again, please read this, because I go into detail with an example of WHY someone like Poornima (no matter what her motives are) can do GREAT HARM to our experts and our message.
https://apocalypticyoga.substack.com/p/the-sad-tale-of-poornima-wagh
I see ! I am just as militant as you, but I qualify in certain situations as an involved observer. I am aware of everything that is going on in the world....we certainly do not have the same beliefs because I remain faithful to THE HUMAN in empathy. people have been conditioned to "titles"...She did the same work as "the Experts" but because she is not one she is on the scaffold .in conclusion I cannot condemn a person without enough evidence! don't you think that we should focus more on the REAL impostors, mafia...For example, I would like the team to present the research that demonstrates the absence of mRNA in the legs. Thx
> She did the same work as "the Experts"
No, she didn't do any original work. That was a complete lie.
The only truth that she told were recycled material that she borrowed from other members of team no virus, Cowan, Kaufman, Lanka, Massey, Baileys, etc.
> I cannot condemn a person without enough evidence!
What more evidence do you need besides she lied about having two PhDs from the London School.
Besides you're stating that wrong. Backwards.
What you should be saying is
"I cannot PROMOTE a person without enough evidence, inc verification of their claims and credentials.”
> people have been conditioned to "titles"...
I'm not saying credentials are necessary to state an opinion.
I myself am a high school dropout. (Later I became a college dropout). I have no post nominal letters, no alma mater, no pedigree from any prestigious University.
The point is, her claims were integral to the authority of her lab work, and her two phds, both of which were phony.
I gotta be honest, Bill. I too don't see anything good coming out of continuing to put Wagh in the public spotlight. Sure, the story needed to be told, but it does not rise to the level of being worth destroying someone's life over. Yes, Wagh got herself into this. But there's a time to let things go, especially when it's a bunch of guys with audiences appearing to go after a single, unemployed woman who appears defenseless. Sorry, but there's just nothing anyone can say that trumps that appearance. She's been exposed, so I'd really like to see everyone move on and let her be. We are the compassionate people too, along with our truth-seeking, right?
>I gotta be honest, Bill. I too don't see anything good coming out of continuing to put Wagh in the public spotlight.
What do you mean "continuing"? All of this JUST HAPPENED, less than a week ago.
Poornima was given a massive platform to talk her nonsense since March. She was given 4.5 hours by Regis Tremblay, and 2 hours by Dr Lee Merritt, neither of which vetted her credentials, or her outrageous claims. These shows were widely clipped, reaploaded, shared on multiple social media platforms, and captioned in a dozen languages. The went extremely "viral" and did a lot of damage to our movement.
This is Damage Control, and it's not over. We are attempting to leverage this whole incident to pressure Regis and Dr Merritt to give equal time to the AUTHENTIC experts on our team, to get the CORRECT message out.
You may not like it, but maybe you can make peace with it.
> Sure, the story needed to be told, but it does not rise to the level of being worth destroying someone's life over
I assure you, no one on our team wants to hurt or humiliate Poornima. We only want to get the TRUTH out there, and to right the harm that's been done.
> especially when it's a bunch of guys with audiences
Sorry, none of the authentic members of #TeamNoVirus have ever achieved anything close to the virality that Poornima has achieved.
And BTW, it's not just guys. Some of the most prominent members of our team are WOMEN, including Dr Sam Bailey, Dr Amandha Vollmer, Dawn Lester, and Christine Massey.
> appearing to go after a single, unemployed woman who appears defenseless.
Please. Poornima has done this to herself. We have no idea about her financial situation. One of our researchers found someone in California named Poorima Wagh who has millions of dollars in real estate holdings. It's not a very common name outside of India.
"Appearances" are SUBJECTIVE. How you judge a situation is different from how someone else might judge it. "Appearances" can be deceiving. I don't they you are in any position to know Poornima's financials, and whom her backers might be.
And as you stated, Poornima has done this to herself.
> We are the compassionate people too, along with our truth-seeking, right?
Believe me, our team wrestled with how to deal with this for 6 weeks, as we spent probably 200-500 hours collectively researching her. I and others were urging great compassion and restraint throughout the entire process.
No one is saying Poornima is s bad person. Just that she is an imposter, largely recycling the original research of Lanka, Cowan, Kaufman, Bailey(s), Massey and others.
NONE of Poornima's claims about her PhDs, original research, FBI raid, etc checked out. And while the general contours of the No Virus issue she got correct, she got MANY details wrong.
I wish you guys ( Bill and Eric ) had gone about this differently. You have gone after this woman like you could smell her blood. Exposing her fake credentials should have been enough, but this has turned into a saga. You two have damaged the No Virus 'Team'. I wish you two were not a part of it. I didn't even know either of you were until all this Poormina stuff blew up. I have been following Cowan, Lanka and Kaufman from the beginning and never once heard of either of you. Now people are associating you two with those you are calling the No Virus Team, and the torment you two seem to enjoy inflicting on this woman ( because that is how it looks btw, especially this Eric person looks to be enjoying his work a bit too much ) is what most people are objecting to. I have read and listened to the podcasts and am disgusted. No way Cowan, Kaufman or Lanka would have behaved like this with any controlled operative. It would have been enough to have just said " hey, you know what, we can not verify her credentials, and not everything she is saying pans out " but you all go on and on and on with this shit show, and this Regis person too, like you have uncovered some massive criminal. You have damaged the No Virus cause by implicating by association the doctors and scientists that have done actual work to expose the virus delusion with this relentless pursuit of a woman who may just be looking for attention. You don't even know if she IS controlled ops.
Hi Georgia,
Much of what you've written her is without references or substance, exists within in the realm of opinion and subject appearances. Here are some examples:
> I wish you guys ( Bill and Eric ) had gone about this differently.
I can't please everyone. I do my best. You are entitled to your opinions.
Please do not conflate my work with Eric's. We work independently.
I am not responsible for what he says, nor is he responsible for what I say or do.
> You have gone after this woman like you could smell her blood.
Everything past the word "like" is something that exists in your head only. A judgement. YOURS. You should own it.
> Exposing her fake credentials should have been enough
That's all Eric has done.
That was the primary thing I exposed. I have gone a little farther to show her connections to Steve Kirsch, Patrick Gunnels, & "Derek Knauss". This is because I have personal experience dealing with Public Relations Disinfo campaigns with the goal of disrupting successful movements for social change. I am trying to understand myself how this all happened, whether Poornima is working alone, or if she is merely a cog in some larger machine. I'm still doing primary research, so I may have something more to say about this later. Not now.
> but this has turned into a saga.
You word, your judgment. Your "saga". Own it.
>You two have damaged the No Virus 'Team'.
Your slanderous opinions are of no interest to me. I am doing the best I can.
> I wish you two were not a part of it.
I don't care what you think of me.
>I didn't even know either of you were until all this Poormina stuff blew up.
So? There are 8B people on Earth. I'm sure there are quite a few whom you don't know.
>I have been following Cowan, Lanka and Kaufman from the beginning and never once heard of either of you.
So? I don't care about who you know vs. don't.
Cowan, Kaufman, Lanka I would call Leadership, Elder Statemen in our movement. I doubt they have much awareness of me. Again, DON'T CONFLATE. I am responsible for my own actions. If I screw up, this is not a refection upon any person other than me.
>Now people are associating you two with those you are calling the No Virus Team,
What associations people form in their own minds are nothing that I can control.
> and the torment you two seem to enjoy inflicting on this woman ( because that is how it looks
Everything past the word "SEEM" is another judgment. It's not "how it looks" because it's a mental judgment that you are ADDING to the events that you see.
I take no joy in anyone's torment. I work in the service of all beings. I wish no one any ill will, including Poornima. Within our group, I was always urging restraint and compassion for her. I have tried to speak only factually, without judgement.
You seem to recognize the importance of exposing frauds within our movement. So maybe try to find some appreciation for what I've done. Poornima could have done tremendously more harm to #TeamNoVirus, in terms of discrediting our leaders, AND the message, which strangely, is what you have accused me of.
> I have read and listened to the podcasts and am disgusted.
I can't control that. Try Pepto Bismal?
The work Mike Stone, Eric Coppolino, Kevin Corbett, and Christine Massey have done around the Poornima story has been IMHO, OUTSTANDING!
I am proud of both my Substack posts. I am not happy with my segment with Regis, because I was having massive tech issues, and we started 20 min late because of me, and I was rattled.
Anyway, if you have any complaint about MY WORK, PLEASE BE SPECIFIC and stop speaking in sweeping generalities, and talking about YOUR wishes, YOUR opinions, YOUR judgements. Stick to the facts, and I'm open to listening.
>No way Cowan, Kaufman or Lanka would have behaved like this with any controlled operative.
"[How you] Behaved" is a judgment. Can you ONCE speak about something SPECIFIC?
>It would have been enough to have just said " hey, you know what, we can not verify her credentials, and not everything she is saying pans out "
Your opinions do not concern me. That is essentially what we collectively DID say, although Eric, Christine, Mike, and Kevin have taken different aspects and have different styles.
> but you all go on and on and on with this shit show,
"shit show". I don't care about your judgments. I am doing what is necessary, without malice. Nothing more.
>and this Regis person too,
Stop conflating my work with others. I do not speak for Regis, nor he, I.
> like you have uncovered some massive criminal.
Again, we had no idea what Poornima's ultimate goal was. She was volunteering to be an expert witness in court cases. She could have done TREMENDOUS harm to our leaders and to our message if she had been allowed to continue with her charade.
> You have damaged the No Virus cause
I don't care what you think of me.
>by implicating by association the doctors and scientists that have done actual work
"implicating and associating" is a process going on inside YOUR BRAIN. This is not to be found anywhere in my work. I cannot control your head. You should own it.
>relentless pursuit of a woman
"Relentless"? Please. This all blew up TEN DAYS AGO! I wrote 2 blog posts and did one podcast.
YOUR JUDGMENT has nothing to do with me.
Poornima was doing the podcast circuit since July, 2 months, and she went super "viral". SOMEONE has been floating her story since December 2020, perhaps months prior. (Was it Poornima's words that Patrick Gunnels spoke, which were then FALSELY attributed by dozens of 3rd parties to "Derek Knauss" and "Robert Oswald", or was Poornima and Gunnels both reading from the same script, written by parties unknown?)
This was clearly a LONG TERM operation, with many players. This is clearly beyond Poornima, and has all the earmarks of a sophisticated PR Campaign / PSYOP.
I will probably be writing more about this soon, as comments like yours keep coming up.
>You don't even know if she IS controlled ops.
If you listen, I never speak about "controlled opposition". This requires knowledge of a persons intentions, motivations, and their knowledge, things normally hidden from view.
However, after all we've learned so far, Poornima, is an exception to my rule. She MAY be Controlled Opposition. If/When I can prove it, I will certainly publish it here.